SEMUA MLM scam / haram???????

[fantaghiro]

herbalife pun skim piramid ye? ada sesapa yg leh tolong explain kt sni? plss..

 

[jokolungo]

herbalife pun skim piramid ye? ada sesapa yg leh tolong explain kt sni? plss..

salam

tak banyak saya tau pasal herbalife.. tapi dari wikipedia

Controversies
Multi-level marketing

* A 2004 settlement resolved a class action suit on behalf of 8700 former and current distributors that accused the company and distributors of "essentially running a pyramid scheme." A total of $6 million was to be paid out, with defendants not admitting guilt.

* In a California class action suit, Minton v. Herbalife International, et al., the plaintiff is "challenging the marketing practices of certain Herbalife International independent distributors and Herbalife International under various state laws prohibiting "endless chain schemes", insufficient disclosure in assisted marketing plans, unfair and deceptive business practices, and fraud and deceit".[25]

Marketing practices

In a West Virginia class action suit, Mey v. Herbalife International, Inc., et al., the plaintiffs allege that some "telemarketing practices of certain Herbalife International distributors violate the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, or TCPA, and seeks to hold Herbalife International vicariously liable for the practices of these distributors. More specifically, the plaintiffs' complaint alleges that several of Herbalife International's distributors used pre-recorded telephone messages and autodialers to contact prospective customers in violation of the TCPA's prohibition of such practices". Herbalife managements insisted they have meritorious defences in both cases and that in the West Virginia case, any such distributor actions also went against Herbalife's own policies. Management also contends that any adverse legal outcomes Herbalife might suffer would not significantly affect their financial condition, particularly since they have already set aside an amount that they "believe represents the likely outcome of the resolution of these disputes".[25] The case was resolved with Herbalife and its distributors paying $7 million into a fund for class members part of the suit.[26] Herbalife International did not acknowledge wrongdoing, or admit culpability for the actions of its distributors.

Product controversies

Some of the original Herbalife weight loss products contained the active ingredient Ma Huang or Sida cordifolia, two herbs containing ephedrine alkaloids. Herbalife stopped using ephedrine in its products in 2002 after several U.S. states banned supplements containing botanical sources of ephedrine alkaloids.[27][28] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration banned supplements containing ephedra in 2004.[29]

Scientific studies in 2007 by doctors at the University Hospital of Bern in Switzerland and the Liver Unit of the Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical Center in Israel found an association between consumption of Herbalife products and hepatitis.[30][31] In response, the Spanish Ministry of Health issued an alert asking for caution in consuming Herbalife products.[32] Herbalife has stated they are cooperating fully with Spanish authorities.[33]

In May 2008 the Fraud Discovery Institute, which claims to be a consumer watchdog organization, reported that laboratory test results of Herbalife products showed lead levels in excess of limits established by law in California under Proposition 65.[34][35] The Fraud Discovery Institute was founded by fraudulent entrepreneur Barry Minkow, who served seven years in jail for stock fraud,[36] and since disclosed that his company was profiting from the allegations by shorting Herbalife stock.[37] Herbalife responded stating its products met federal FDA requirements[38][39] and released independent lab tests proving the products did not exceed Proposition 65 limits.[37][40]

On 10 May 2008 a suit was filed on behalf of a woman who developed lead-related liver complaints that she claimed were a reaction to a combination of Herbalife products.[36][41] The suit was filed by lawyer Christopher Grell, cofounder of the Dietary Supplement Safety Committee and an associate of Barry Minkow.[36] On 17 June 2008, the suit was expanded to add distributors who had supplied the woman with the Herbalife products, with Grell launching a website to offer persons who believe they were harmed by Herbalife products the chance of redress.[42] In August 2008, Minkow retracted all accusations against Herbalife and removed any mention of the company from his web site.

 

[bob76]

herbalife pun skim piramid ye? ada sesapa yg leh tolong explain kt sni? plss..

cik fanta...u concern dr segi apa sebenarnya??? kalu u x mau terjebak dgn perniagaan ala skim piramid, baik jauhkan aja mana2 mlm..it's easier that way. Kat sini kita bincang ttg haram dr segi hukum agama islam.

 

[fantaghiro]

salam

tak banyak saya tau pasal herbalife.. tapi dari wikipedia

Controversies
Multi-level marketing

* A 2004 settlement resolved a class action suit on behalf of 8700 former and current distributors that accused the company and distributors of "essentially running a pyramid scheme." A total of $6 million was to be paid out, with defendants not admitting guilt.

* In a California class action suit, Minton v. Herbalife International, et al., the plaintiff is "challenging the marketing practices of certain Herbalife International independent distributors and Herbalife International under various state laws prohibiting "endless chain schemes", insufficient disclosure in assisted marketing plans, unfair and deceptive business practices, and fraud and deceit".[25]

Marketing practices

In a West Virginia class action suit, Mey v. Herbalife International, Inc., et al., the plaintiffs allege that some "telemarketing practices of certain Herbalife International distributors violate the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, or TCPA, and seeks to hold Herbalife International vicariously liable for the practices of these distributors. More specifically, the plaintiffs' complaint alleges that several of Herbalife International's distributors used pre-recorded telephone messages and autodialers to contact prospective customers in violation of the TCPA's prohibition of such practices". Herbalife managements insisted they have meritorious defences in both cases and that in the West Virginia case, any such distributor actions also went against Herbalife's own policies. Management also contends that any adverse legal outcomes Herbalife might suffer would not significantly affect their financial condition, particularly since they have already set aside an amount that they "believe represents the likely outcome of the resolution of these disputes".[25] The case was resolved with Herbalife and its distributors paying $7 million into a fund for class members part of the suit.[26] Herbalife International did not acknowledge wrongdoing, or admit culpability for the actions of its distributors.

Product controversies

Some of the original Herbalife weight loss products contained the active ingredient Ma Huang or Sida cordifolia, two herbs containing ephedrine alkaloids. Herbalife stopped using ephedrine in its products in 2002 after several U.S. states banned supplements containing botanical sources of ephedrine alkaloids.[27][28] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration banned supplements containing ephedra in 2004.[29]

Scientific studies in 2007 by doctors at the University Hospital of Bern in Switzerland and the Liver Unit of the Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical Center in Israel found an association between consumption of Herbalife products and hepatitis.[30][31] In response, the Spanish Ministry of Health issued an alert asking for caution in consuming Herbalife products.[32] Herbalife has stated they are cooperating fully with Spanish authorities.[33]

In May 2008 the Fraud Discovery Institute, which claims to be a consumer watchdog organization, reported that laboratory test results of Herbalife products showed lead levels in excess of limits established by law in California under Proposition 65.[34][35] The Fraud Discovery Institute was founded by fraudulent entrepreneur Barry Minkow, who served seven years in jail for stock fraud,[36] and since disclosed that his company was profiting from the allegations by shorting Herbalife stock.[37] Herbalife responded stating its products met federal FDA requirements[38][39] and released independent lab tests proving the products did not exceed Proposition 65 limits.[37][40]

On 10 May 2008 a suit was filed on behalf of a woman who developed lead-related liver complaints that she claimed were a reaction to a combination of Herbalife products.[36][41] The suit was filed by lawyer Christopher Grell, cofounder of the Dietary Supplement Safety Committee and an associate of Barry Minkow.[36] On 17 June 2008, the suit was expanded to add distributors who had supplied the woman with the Herbalife products, with Grell launching a website to offer persons who believe they were harmed by Herbalife products the chance of redress.[42] In August 2008, Minkow retracted all accusations against Herbalife and removed any mention of the company from his web site.

thanks.. sy cuma nk taw, herbalife ni buat skim piramid ke tidak? dan apakah produknya betul2 berkesan..

 

[jokolungo]

thanks.. sy cuma nk taw, herbalife ni buat skim piramid ke tidak? dan apakah produknya betul2 berkesan..

salam

MLM businesses operate in the United States in all 50 states and in more than 100 other countries, and new businesses may use terms like "affiliate marketing" or "home-based business franchising". However, many pyramid schemes try to present themselves as legitimate MLM businesses.[6]


The FTC warns "Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some are pyramid schemes. It's best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products."[28] and states that research is your best tool, giving eight steps to follow:[28]

* 1) Find — and study — the company’s track record
* 2) Learn about the product
* 3) Ask questions
* 4) Understand any restrictions
* 5) Talk to other distributors (beware of shills)
* 6) Consider using a friend or adviser as a neutral sounding board or for a gut check
* 7) Take your time
* 8) Think about whether this plan suits your talents and goals

Income levels

Several sources have commented on the income level of specific MLMs or MLMs in general:

* The Times: "The Government investigation claims to have revealed that just 10 per cent of Amway's agents in Britain make any profit, with less than one in ten selling a single item of the group's products."[20]
* Scheibeler, a high level "Emerald" Amway member: "UK Justice Norris found in 2008 that out of an IBO [Independent Business Owners] population of 33,000, 'only about 90 made sufficient incomes to cover the costs of actively building their business.' That's a 99.7 percent loss rate for investors."[21]
* Newsweek: based on Mona Vie's own 2007 income disclosure statement "fewer than 1 percent qualified for commissions and of those, only 10 percent made more than $100 a week."[22]
* Business Students Focus on Ethics: "In the USA, the average annual income from MLM for 90% MLM members is no more than US $5,000, which is far from being a sufficient means of making a living (San Lian Life Weekly 1998)"[23]
* USA Today: "While earning potential varies by company and sales ability, DSA says the median annual income for those in direct sales is $2,400."[24] In a October 15, 2010 article it was stated that documents of a MLM called Fortune reveal that 30 percent of its representatives make no money and that 54 percent of the remaining 70 percent only make $93 a month. The article also states Fortune is under investigation by the Attorneys General of Texas, Kentucky, North Dakota, and North Carolina with Missouri, South Carolina, Illinois, and Florida following up complaints against the company.[25]

The FTC states "Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They're actually illegal pyramid schemes. Why is pyramiding dangerous? Because plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors inevitably collapse when no new distributors can be recruited. And when a plan collapses, most people - except perhaps those at the very top of the pyramid - end up empty-handed."[26]

In a 2004 Staff Advisory letter to the Direct Selling Association, the United States Federal Trade Commission (FTC) states:

Much has been made of the personal, or internal, consumption issue in recent years. In fact, the amount of internal consumption in any multi-level compensation business does not determine whether or not the FTC will consider the plan a pyramid scheme. The critical question for the FTC is whether the revenues that primarily support the commissions paid to all participants are generated from purchases of goods and services that are not simply incidental to the purchase of the right to participate in a money-making venture.[27]

 

[encikz]

salam .

dia orang bukan kesah pun jika rega barang yagn mereka jual 100 kali ganda harga sebenar.. yang penting, BUKAN PENTING PUN BARANG TU TAK LAKU... yang penting downline.. yang penting boleh rekrut... kuli batak ni lah yang akan bayar komision mereka bukan untung jualan..

kenapa kat us banyak orang jual MONAVE,EXFUZE xango, dan lelain kat EBAY dengan harga kurang dari harga MLM? .. kerana tak laku?

dia orang bukan kesah pun kalau barangan yang mereka jual tak ada qualiti.

dia orang tak kesah pun kalau nak jual barang tu dia orang kena kelentong bakal pembeli..

ceritalah ada khasiat, ada ubat, memacam yang semuanya tak ada pun kajian saintifik dan bukti bertulis dari pehak yang berotoriti.

bukan sebab tak laku aje...mungkin yg jual tu dia dah level executive...dia nya income melebihi expenses, so dia boleh jual murah...

sebenarnya, ade yg guna konsep sharing...dia tak jual, tapi share...kemudian jika orang tu minat, jadi ahli dan beli secara kotak....orang tu dia tak jual secara botol, dia hanya jual secara kotak...

pendek kata, awak tak cukup ilmu lagi berkenaan company, produk dan compensation plan brand yang awak nyatakan diatas...lalu awak buat assumptions tak tentu arah...

 

[AkuHenjutJer]

bukan sebab tak laku aje...mungkin yg jual tu dia dah level executive...dia nya income melebihi expenses, so dia boleh jual murah...

sebenarnya, ade yg guna konsep sharing...dia tak jual, tapi share...kemudian jika orang tu minat, jadi ahli dan beli secara kotak....orang tu dia tak jual secara botol, dia hanya jual secara kotak...

pendek kata, awak tak cukup ilmu lagi berkenaan company, produk dan compensation plan brand yang awak nyatakan diatas...lalu awak buat assumptions tak tentu arah...

apa benda yg ko ckp ni.peranakan india ke hapa ko ni."dia tak jual, tapi share...kemudian jika orang tu minat, jadi ahli dan beli secara kotak"...sapa yg tk berilmu sbnrnya ni...ko ke dia.ko jgn lh nak putar2 share konon tp klu berminat...kena kluar duit tak?kena beli dgn ko tak?apa punya sengal lah ko punya statement ni bai.

 

[mattybizz]

apa benda yg ko ckp ni.peranakan india ke hapa ko ni."dia tak jual, tapi share...kemudian jika orang tu minat, jadi ahli dan beli secara kotak"...sapa yg tk berilmu sbnrnya ni...ko ke dia.ko jgn lh nak putar2 share konon tp klu berminat...kena kluar duit tak?kena beli dgn ko tak?apa punya sengal lah ko punya statement ni bai.

kan org mlm ni pandai putar belit kalau tk putar tde org yg nk join

 

[kerunai]

teringat P Ramlee dok jual ubat tepi jalan ..hai obat hai obat maghi beli obat !!

 

[abunz]

bukan ubat pun jus jer ...

kat kedai berlambak dah jus bawah rm10 , jus manggis acai berry bagai pun dah ader ...

Product MLM tuh tak kira la Jus ker aper ker sebagai wayang jer ... yg diorang dok kejar komisen bagai tuh ...