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SEMUA MLM scam / haram???????

MLM yg da dlm pemerhatian tu ko xyah sibuk nak gebang la bro. ini MLM yg genuine pun jd mangsa. ko nak kutuk Monavie, ko tahu x Monavie nyer annual sales setaun brapa?? ni semua MLM genuine beb. xde org wat aduan apa2 pun. xpenah aku dgr aduan org komplen pasal Monavie or Xango ke menipu. pastu pandai2 nak cakap bnda tu scam. mengarut hape?? kalau ye pun penah ade experience buruk dlm MLM xya la nak kata semua MLM scam. ko nak cakap kitorg menipu- sebenarnye ko tu yg xde ilmu n knowledge pasal product kitorg. eXfuze ni extract bukan jus. yg ko dok sebuk2 kata eXfuze tu jus pekehal? xke fitnah cmtu? aku rasa da berbuih odie tu explain eXfuze bukan jus tapi extract. extract concentration dia lagi tggi. ko nyer kepala da susah sgt nak terima info kot? kawan aku pegawai farmasi la beb. dia da test eXfuze n dia sendri cakap produk ni memg sgt bagus. xde gula, bukan jus n sebagainya. bukan claim semata2. dia da biasa test produk so dia lagi pakar. yg korg dok merapu meraban tah hape2 ape kehal?

tolong la bertamadun sket. ni perangai da la buruk. bahasa pun buruk. xtahu nak cakap apa.

salam

ko baca lah kat sini. boleh faham kan..

http:
//skeptoid.com/episodes/4086


aku kopipes skit

Dr. Stephen Barrett sums it up quite aptly in an article about antioxidants (which also lists this and many other clinical trials if you want to see for yourself):

"There is widespread scientific agreement that eating adequate amounts of fruits and vegetables can help lower the incidence of cardiovascular disease and certain cancers. With respect to antioxidants and other phytochemicals, the key question is whether supplementation has been proven to do more good than harm. So far, the answer is no, which is why the FDA will not permit any of these substances to be labeled or marketed with claims that they can prevent disease."

So now let's move on to our final question: Do these superfruit juices really contain significant amounts of antioxidants? They better, because they base their entire marketing campaign around this claim specifically.

Choice, the publication of the Australian Consumers Association, undertook a major study to answer this question in 2007. They bought virtually every superfruit juice that's commercially available. In their labs, they tested all of them for their total antioxidant capacity using the oxygen radical absorbance capacity assay test, laying out their methodology in detail — which you'll notice the promoters of these products never do.

As a baseline, Choice measured the total antioxidant capacity, or TAC, of a common apple — a Red Delicious Apple, to be precise — and got a reading of 5900. This number was then compared to the TAC measured from a daily serving of each superfruit juice.

* The first type of superfruit juice tested was goji, a berry from Asia also known as the wolfberry. Servings of four different goji-based superfruit juices were found to have TAC measurements ranging from 570 to 2,025 for a product that is a 100% purée of the berry, in other words, from 10% to 34% the TAC of a common apple.
* Next, they tested two brands of mangosteen superfruit juices. Mangosteen is claimed to have double the antioxidant capacity of goji. The results? Two two juices came in at 1,020 and 1,710, or 17% and 29% of the TAC of a common apple.
* Next, they tested two brands of noni superfruit juices. Noni comes from Polynesia, and is frequently used in Hawaiian traditional medicine. The two brands measured 540 and 525, each about 9% the TAC of a common apple. In other words, a $7 cup of noni juice contains as much antioxidants as a thin 5¢ slice of apple.
* Finally, Choice put açai to the test. The açai is a small purple berry from the Amazon, and Oprah calls it the "#1 food for anti-aging." Açai is the headliner ingredient in MonaVie, but since they do not disclose their formula, the percentage is unknown. Choice tested a similar product from RioLife containing 14% açai pulp. It measured almost as well as the best goji juice, with a TAC of 1,800, or about 31% as much as a common apple.

Choice also added several more common fruits to the mix. A single navel orange was found to have a TAC of 2,540. A cup of strawberries has 5,938. A cup of raspberries has a TAC of 6,058. And the overall winner was a cup of cultivated blueberries, with a total antioxidant capacity of 9,019.

But how can this be? Choice magazine found that the marketing literature says that goji berries have ten times, and açai berries six times, the antioxidant capacity of blueberries. Well, this might well be true. The difference is due to the fact that you're drinking a juice made from the fruit, you're not eating the whole fruit itself. For example, the mangosteen fruit has a huge amount of antioxidants and other nutrients. However, it's all contained within the inedible rind. The edible pulp of the fruit has only a negligible amount of either. This is how it's possible for the marketing claim to be, well, accurate if misleading; but the product itself to be devoid of the claimed benefits.

Superfruit juices may be good sources of antioxidants compared to, say, spaghetti or a cheeseburger; but if you want antioxidants, you'll get far more of them for about 1/100th the price by simply eating common fruit from the supermarket
 
MLM yg da dlm pemerhatian tu ko xyah sibuk nak gebang la bro. ini MLM yg genuine pun jd mangsa. ko nak kutuk Monavie, ko tahu x Monavie nyer annual sales setaun brapa?? ni semua MLM genuine beb. xde org wat aduan apa2 pun. xpenah aku dgr aduan org komplen pasal Monavie or Xango ke menipu. pastu pandai2 nak cakap bnda tu scam. mengarut hape?? kalau ye pun penah ade experience buruk dlm MLM xya la nak kata semua MLM scam. ko nak cakap kitorg menipu- sebenarnye ko tu yg xde ilmu n knowledge pasal product kitorg. eXfuze ni extract bukan jus. yg ko dok sebuk2 kata eXfuze tu jus pekehal? xke fitnah cmtu? aku rasa da berbuih odie tu explain eXfuze bukan jus tapi extract. extract concentration dia lagi tggi. ko nyer kepala da susah sgt nak terima info kot? kawan aku pegawai farmasi la beb. dia da test eXfuze n dia sendri cakap produk ni memg sgt bagus. xde gula, bukan jus n sebagainya. bukan claim semata2. dia da biasa test produk so dia lagi pakar. yg korg dok merapu meraban tah hape2 ape kehal?

tolong la bertamadun sket. ni perangai da la buruk. bahasa pun buruk. xtahu nak cakap apa.

salam

ni pulak complain pasal monavie

aku kopipes

“Dr. David Miller is amazed at how many things can be on one bottle.”

That’s certainly insightful isn’t it? It tells us absolutely NOTHING about the product. You also neglected to mention a couple of important details -- like the fact that Dr. Dave is a Monavie DISTRIBUTOR, and he’s not an MD, he’s a freakin’ CHIROPRACTOR!
http://onthemove.monavievo.com/fieldleaders.asp
http://www.realhealthanswers.com/news/KATC_channel_3.htm

“Dr. Gupta states that many of her patients have had positive results.”

That’s pretty vague, even coming from a Monavie distributor like Salini Gupta. Her upline sponsor is distributor Kathy Haberer.

“All of you have asked for Dr.'s that recommend the product to patients.”

Uh, nobody here has EVER asked for these vague idiotic one-sentence testimonials from MVs paid shills. We’re looking for insightful fact-based commentary from reputable INDEPENDENT sources. And try posting something recent instead of these stale old promo pieces from 2007, back when no one was wise to the scam. The more recent reports on TV are kicking Monavie’s ass.
http://www.fox13now.com/kstu-fox13investigatesmonavie-7834974,0,1683317.story
 
MLM yg da dlm pemerhatian tu ko xyah sibuk nak gebang la bro. ini MLM yg genuine pun jd mangsa. ko nak kutuk Monavie, ko tahu x Monavie nyer annual sales setaun brapa?? ni semua MLM genuine beb. xde org wat aduan apa2 pun. xpenah aku dgr aduan org komplen pasal Monavie or Xango ke menipu. pastu pandai2 nak cakap bnda tu scam. mengarut hape?? kalau ye pun penah ade experience buruk dlm MLM xya la nak kata semua MLM scam. ko nak cakap kitorg menipu- sebenarnye ko tu yg xde ilmu n knowledge pasal product kitorg. eXfuze ni extract bukan jus. yg ko dok sebuk2 kata eXfuze tu jus pekehal? xke fitnah cmtu? aku rasa da berbuih odie tu explain eXfuze bukan jus tapi extract. extract concentration dia lagi tggi. ko nyer kepala da susah sgt nak terima info kot? kawan aku pegawai farmasi la beb. dia da test eXfuze n dia sendri cakap produk ni memg sgt bagus. xde gula, bukan jus n sebagainya. bukan claim semata2. dia da biasa test produk so dia lagi pakar. yg korg dok merapu meraban tah hape2 ape kehal?

tolong la bertamadun sket. ni perangai da la buruk. bahasa pun buruk. xtahu nak cakap apa.

salam

lagi pasal monavie. artikel 2008 tu.

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/08/01/a-drink-s-purple-reign.html

ni aku kopipes skit

The product itself, they say, is an overhyped fruit drink that eludes drug regulation by the Food and Drug Administration by letting its distributors (as opposed to MonaVie itself) make the health promises. On PurpleHorror.com, a hugely trafficked MonaVie discussion Web site so large that it's slow to load, outraged distributors and perhaps more level-headed juice fans trash the purple elixir. a NEWSWEEK reporter who took the MonaVie daily dose—two ounces, twice a day—for two weeks, didn't experience the drink's miraculous benefits, and got headaches. (Then again, that might have been because he got new glasses.)

Meanwhile, most of the million-strong sales team is really just drinking the juice, according to MonaVie's 2007 income disclosure statement, a federally required printout of their distributor earnings. More than 90 percent were considered "wholesale customers," whose earnings are mostly discounts on sales to themselves. Fewer than 1 percent qualified for commissions and of those, only 10 percent made more than $100 a week. And the dropout rate, while not disclosed by MonaVie, is around 70 percent, according to a top recruiter.
 
MLM yg da dlm pemerhatian tu ko xyah sibuk nak gebang la bro. ini MLM yg genuine pun jd mangsa. ko nak kutuk Monavie, ko tahu x Monavie nyer annual sales setaun brapa?? ni semua MLM genuine beb. xde org wat aduan apa2 pun. xpenah aku dgr aduan org komplen pasal Monavie or Xango ke menipu. pastu pandai2 nak cakap bnda tu scam. mengarut hape?? kalau ye pun penah ade experience buruk dlm MLM xya la nak kata semua MLM scam. ko nak cakap kitorg menipu- sebenarnye ko tu yg xde ilmu n knowledge pasal product kitorg. eXfuze ni extract bukan jus. yg ko dok sebuk2 kata eXfuze tu jus pekehal? xke fitnah cmtu? aku rasa da berbuih odie tu explain eXfuze bukan jus tapi extract. extract concentration dia lagi tggi. ko nyer kepala da susah sgt nak terima info kot? kawan aku pegawai farmasi la beb. dia da test eXfuze n dia sendri cakap produk ni memg sgt bagus. xde gula, bukan jus n sebagainya. bukan claim semata2. dia da biasa test produk so dia lagi pakar. yg korg dok merapu meraban tah hape2 ape kehal?

tolong la bertamadun sket. ni perangai da la buruk. bahasa pun buruk. xtahu nak cakap apa.

salam

lagi pasal monavie ni pun lama dah..

ko bacala ye

http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/orrin-woodward-scams-monavie-team-lies/?iphone=true

http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-lies-about-the-orac-score-of-monavie/

http://www.juicescam.com/xango-open-discussion/
 
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MLM yg da dlm pemerhatian tu ko xyah sibuk nak gebang la bro. ini MLM yg genuine pun jd mangsa. ko nak kutuk Monavie, ko tahu x Monavie nyer annual sales setaun brapa?? ni semua MLM genuine beb. xde org wat aduan apa2 pun. xpenah aku dgr aduan org komplen pasal Monavie or Xango ke menipu. pastu pandai2 nak cakap bnda tu scam. mengarut hape?? kalau ye pun penah ade experience buruk dlm MLM xya la nak kata semua MLM scam. ko nak cakap kitorg menipu- sebenarnye ko tu yg xde ilmu n knowledge pasal product kitorg. eXfuze ni extract bukan jus. yg ko dok sebuk2 kata eXfuze tu jus pekehal? xke fitnah cmtu? aku rasa da berbuih odie tu explain eXfuze bukan jus tapi extract. extract concentration dia lagi tggi. ko nyer kepala da susah sgt nak terima info kot? kawan aku pegawai farmasi la beb. dia da test eXfuze n dia sendri cakap produk ni memg sgt bagus. xde gula, bukan jus n sebagainya. bukan claim semata2. dia da biasa test produk so dia lagi pakar. yg korg dok merapu meraban tah hape2 ape kehal?

tolong la bertamadun sket. ni perangai da la buruk. bahasa pun buruk. xtahu nak cakap apa.


lagi lagi pembohongann monavie

aku kopipes

http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/
onaVie Distributor Tom states “Show me any company in the world (with revenue about $1 billion a year) that has that many distributors making more than $160K a year. If you use company’s materials stick to what they say.”

Monavie states they are making $1 billion in revenue though they do not release financial information to support such claims and therefore, this statement remains unproven. See MonaVie –

Is MonaVie the Fastest Company to $1 Billion Dollars in … for more information on that.

Secondly, what percentage of any revenue earned was from bona fide sales to persons not associated with the scheme and what percentage is from the investments and purchases from it’s own sales force?! Monavie do not disclose this information either however, judging by Tom’s description that he is consuming everything that he buys, as does his downline (and as does his upline whom he is duplicating), I’d say not much and it serves Monavie well to withhold such a vital piece of information from the public.

Monavie hopes the average distributor is unable to perform basic arithmetic (and this is an accurate assumption in Tom’s circumstances), however we’re able to elicit from the information provided in the 2009 Global IDS the real opportunity that Monavie represents to the average distributor/consumer (again, the distributors are the consumers).

If ALL the distributors were included in the Income disclosure statement (that is, the 87% who did not qualify for commissions – 620,431), the figures would confirm the following facts:

Total distributors = 713,139

Royal Black Diamond and above through to Bronze Executives (2570) = 0.36% of the total sales force.

The above 0.36% of distributors were paid 53% of the total commissions and averaged $1516.70 per week.

Star 1000 through to Distributor level (90,138) = 12.64% of the total sales force and averaged $37.33 per week

$37.33 per week clearly represents a LOSS when all costs are factored into (autoship, training tools, phone calls, travel, attending seminars, etc).

The remaining 620,431 distributors (87%) earned ZERO.

Clearly it’s accurate to say that 99.64% of the ENTIRE sales force LOST money.

The top weighted compensation plan is further confirmed when you consider that those ranked Royal Black Diamond and above through to Ruby Executives (377) who equate to 0.053% of the total sales force received 37.53% of the total commissions paid.

The above group of 0.053% averaged $7227.87 per week.

Even with the Gold, Silver and Bronze Executive earnings included with the remaining distributors (through to distributor level), this group of 92,331 (12.94% of the total sales force) still only averaged $49.13 per week.

Lets not forget again that 620,431 of the sales force earned absolutely ZERO.
 
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salam

tajuk tu misleading

TT bagi tajuk tu tapi dokumen yang dia bagi menunjukkan SEMUA SKIM PIRAMID ADALAH HARAM. JADI sepatutnya tajuk tread ni ialah SEMUA MLM YANG MELAKSANAKAN SKIM PIRAMID ADALAH HARAM

jadi kalau nak tau haram ke tak MLM.. check je dia orang guna skim PIRAMID ke tak ... mudah gitu.

arah perbincangan bukan scam (MLM yang tak berdaftar).. sebab kebanyakan MLM ni didaftarkan dibawah AJL.. cumanya pendaftar syarikat (AJL) tak siasat/ambil port pasal SKIM PIRAMID dalam MLM. tak macam USA.

arah perbincangan ialan samada melibatkan diri dalam MLM haram ke tak..

haaa... kat sini baru saya dpt tangkap. thanx bro joko.
 
sunyi upp sikit thread ni

salam

yang pertahankan mlm tak tahan telinga.. tapi terus juga dengan niat jahat untuk tipu orang

agaknya kena tengok kat bebenang mereka kot... ala tegur tegur...
 
aduh!HARAM ke?

iye,selagi terlibat dgn riba komfem haram... kalau ade yg ckp ada mlm yg xterlibat dgn riba sila minta penjelasan dan bukti serta hujjah2 yg jelas...bkn hujah yg mengatakan mlm pun ade dlm al-quran ok...harap maklum
 
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