Forum pertama Katholik-Islam di Vatican hari ini

[Ahmad811]

bro, i salute your courage and bravery for giving your minority view here in CG. However let me remind you that, there are enactment in most states in Malaysia (if I'm not mistaken) that it is against the law to preach any other religions to Muslim. I understand it is NOT your intention to do so, but your views here might be interpreted wrongly by some people. FYI, it is not only us are reading this forum, there could be some outsiders watching too especially here in CG (thread panas).

So just be careful with your statement okay? I do understand your point, but some people might not. Hope you are okay with my comments. You can start by editing your post, maybe you can remove the link given in your post.

good moring,

your question remind me of his (the late ahmad deedat) which he came out with decade ago. the question why the babile has so many variations and contradiction?

my answer is, there are no contradiction at all in the bible. the bible is complete and a full inspiration of God words. the original bible is written in the language of Greek and Hebrew which the manuscript are safely kept.

the problem with deedat and other fellow muslim brother and sister who want studying the bible are, they like to took a verse in the bible which they think contradict and conclude that the bible is not the word of god coz it has error in it. but what they fail to do is to look to the bible as a whole.

the highlight sentence of yours is something that i would like to comment. i agree those being converted into islam are very knowledgeable and have vast christian knowledge foundation. i believe those ppl have their own reasons to convert and i have no right to argue. what i can say is, mayb the not yet experience the grace of christ in their live juz like ohter christians had experience.

i had a friend which i approach a few years ago in kuantan.he was a "ahli agama islam" from indonesia which converted to christian. he share with us why he convert.(i won reveal it here)
and being a new christian, he convert lots of his same status of ppl (the ahli agama) not only in indonesia, but also in Arab.
he and his team came out with this website:



you can check it out when free.

i hope i answered your question. take care and may god bless you.

 

[+kOoL+]

Zenocorp, you got me or not?

he get2 you i think.. btw.. ak tgk video dkt youtube.. ahmed deedad mati cam tersiksa ja.. sebab pe agaknye ek??.. :-?.. this is just curiousity..

 

[zenocorp]

bro, i salute your courage and bravery for giving your minority view here in CG. However let me remind you that, there are enactment in most states in Malaysia (if I'm not mistaken) that it is against the law to preach any other religions to Muslim. I understand it is NOT your intention to do so, but your views here might be interpreted wrongly by some people. FYI, it is not only us are reading this forum, there could be some outsiders watching too especially here in CG (thread panas).

So just be careful with your statement okay? I do understand your point, but some people might not. Hope you are okay with my comments. You can start by editing your post, maybe you can remove the link given in your post.

thanks bro for your reminder. its not my attention to preach or trying to convert ppl. i juz sharing my point of view. so hopefully this will be a healthy discussion.

peace..

 

[zenocorp]

Ala....... inda' sioklah sudah start terus diam, kita bincanglah bagus2 ba

ko orang mana? sabah ka? hehhe ok ok i get you...so we discuss in english hehhe

 

[steveorlando79]

he get2 you i think.. btw.. ak tgk video dkt youtube.. ahmed deedad mati cam tersiksa ja.. sebab pe agaknye ek??.. :-?.. this is just curiousity..

kematian itu suatu yang pasti, ada yg seolah2 bersedia menghadapinya tetapi sebenarnya tidak, begitu juga ada yang langsung tiada persiapan, namun demikian tidak kurang juga yang benar-benar sedang bersedia menghadapinya, adalah kematian (wafatnya) Muhammad (SAW) dalam keadaan amat bersedia, diceritakan bahawa Izrail (Malaikat maut) memberitahu kedatangannya serta tujuannya. Namun apa yg terzahir dari mulut Fatimah ketika peristiwa itu, tampak keperitan saat2 kematian baginda. Pernahkah si mati dalam tidur yg "kelihatan tenang" menceritakan saat kematiannya itu adalah AMAN dan DAMAI, Jwbnya tidak. Jadi jgn terpedaya.........

 

[+kOoL+]

kematian itu suatu yang pasti, ada yg seolah2 bersedia menghadapinya tetapi sebenarnya tidak, begitu juga ada yang langsung tiada persiapan, namun demikian tidak kurang juga yang benar-benar sedang bersedia menghadapinya, adalah kematian (wafatnya) Muhammad (SAW) dalam keadaan amat bersedia, diceritakan bahawa Izrail (Malaikat maut) memberitahu kedatangannya serta tujuannya. Namun apa yg terzahir dari mulut Fatimah ketika peristiwa itu, tampak keperitan saat2 kematian baginda. Pernahkah si mati dalam tidur yg "kelihatan tenang" menceritakan saat kematiannya itu adalah AMAN dan DAMAI, Jwbnya tidak. Jadi jgn terpedaya.........

ok.. i get2 what you saying2.. good explanation there.. death is said to be the most painful moment in humans life. (ustaz hamba yg g tau)..

 

[zenocorp]

kematian itu suatu yang pasti, ada yg seolah2 bersedia menghadapinya tetapi sebenarnya tidak, begitu juga ada yang langsung tiada persiapan, namun demikian tidak kurang juga yang benar-benar sedang bersedia menghadapinya, adalah kematian (wafatnya) Muhammad (SAW) dalam keadaan amat bersedia, diceritakan bahawa Izrail (Malaikat maut) memberitahu kedatangannya serta tujuannya. Namun apa yg terzahir dari mulut Fatimah ketika peristiwa itu, tampak keperitan saat2 kematian baginda. Pernahkah si mati dalam tidur yg "kelihatan tenang" menceritakan saat kematiannya itu adalah AMAN dan DAMAI, Jwbnya tidak. Jadi jgn terpedaya.........

i have seen someone die in peace..my grandfather. with his hands and legs crossed, he slowly breath his last breath.

 

[shane]

he get2 you i think.. btw.. ak tgk video dkt youtube.. ahmed deedad mati cam tersiksa ja.. sebab pe agaknye ek??.. :-?.. this is just curiousity..

Apa maksud Bro ngan tersiksa??? Arwah lumpuh kena stroke (fizikal tak rasa sakit dah) tapi meneruskan juga usahanya walau terpaksa berkomunikasi dengan kelipan mata & pemikiran nya tetap tajam. Sampai ke akhir hayat akidah Islam nya tetap tidak tergugat walau ada beberapa cobaan. Perlu di ingatkan, Arwah meninggal berusia 87 tahun. Ramai lagi yg meninggal lebih muda tetapi lebih tersiksa. Tapi itu semua hanya pada pandangan umum. Kematian yg mengambil masa sekelip mata pun boleh terasa seperti bertahun kesakitan yg amat sangat kepada roh yg di tarik keluar. Wallahua'lam.

Walau dah meninggal, usahanya terus menyumbang pahala melalui video dll & masih ada yg memeluk Islam selepas menghayati video2 arwah. Camana kita nak tandingi dia???