Bible - Kitab Sex ?

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Saya rasa didalam bible menggunakan perkataan concubine kerana ianya bermaksud seorang perempuan simpanan. Bukan seorang isteri kedua.

di sini sy bg jwpan concubine yg di jwab oleh org kristian sendri menganai persoalan concubine di dlm OT.

What does the Bible say about concubines?
Answer

There was a time when people in the Bible had concubines. (Note that a concubine in the Old Testament context is not a mistress, but more like a lesser wife. The relationship was as binding as a marriage, although the concubine may not have had all the privileges of the full wives.) Perhaps the two most famous are Abraham and Jacob, although Kings David and Solomon also had numerous concubines.

If Abraham’s wife, Sarah, had not offered Hagar, her handmaid, to her husband as a concubine we might not have the conflicts between Arab and Jew that we now have. Those two ethnicities trace their lines back to Abraham and his wife and concubine. (Genesis 16 and 21)

Abraham’s grandson, Jacob (also known as Israel), had two wives. He also had their handmaids as concubines. Several of the twelve tribes of Israel were descended through the concubines. (Genesis 30)

Solomon had problems because of his many wives and concubines. “And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.” (1 Kings 11:3) They turned him to idolatry.

While concubinage was at least accepted, if not approved, in the Old Testament, it is not acceptable for Christians. Even from the beginning God intended that marriage be one man and one woman for life. “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” (Matthew 10:6-9) Among the qualities of elders and deacons, and therefore something to which all Christians should aspire, is that they be husband of one wife. (1 Timothy 3:2, 12) While there is no indication that a person who was married to more than one wife (or had concubines) was required to give up all but one if he became a Christian, the expectation was that a person who had only one wife would not later add another wife or concubine.

sumber ; http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/concubines.html

 

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Ok disini maksudnya

Among the*Israelites, men commonly acknowledged their concubines, and such women enjoyed the same rights in the house as legitimate wives.[8]*The principal difference in the*Bible*between a wife and a concubine is that wives had*dowries, while concubines did not.

The concubine may have commanded the same respect and*inviolability*as the wife. The Hebrew word used in the Levitical rules on sexual relations, which is commonly translated as "wife", is distinct from the Hebrew word that means "concubine". (However, on at least one other occasion it is used to refer a woman who is not a wife - specifically, the handmaid of Jacob's wife.[9]) In the Levitical code, sexual intercourse between a man and a wife of a different man was forbidden and punishable by death for both persons involved.[10][11]*The Bible notes several incidents of intercourse between a man and another man's concubine, and none of them result in capital punishment for either party,[12][13][14]*although the man to whom the concubine belonged was dishonored by such a relationship.[8]*For instance,*David*is portrayed as having been dishonoured when his concubines had a sexual relationship with his son*Absalom.[15]*However, this instance is as likely dishonoring to David because it involves a form of incest, as David's concubines would have been somewhat like step-mothers to David's children.[16]

Since it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children, legitimate wives often gave their maids to their husbands to atone, at least in part, if they were barren, as in the cases of*Sarah*and*Hagar,*Rachel*andBilhah.[8]*The children of the concubine had equal rights with those of the legitimate wife;[8]for example, King*Abimelech*was the son ofGideon*and his concubine.[17]*Later[8]*biblical figures such as Gideon, David, and*Solomonhad concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the*Books of Kings*says that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.[18]

disitu saya hitamkan penekanan maksud concubine di dalam ayat yg saudara sertakan . taraf concubine di dlm bible adalah hampir sama taraf dgn seorang isteri .

 

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saya tidak menyatakan ia satu isu . sy cuma ingin memdapat kepastian dari saudara . buku ini tidak memburukkan agama kristian lansung . jika saudara baca buku ini dan saudara kata ia memburukkan agama kristian maka ternyata agama kristian sendiri yg memburukkan agam kristian . Hal ini kerana segala huraian di dalam buku tersebut mengambil setiap petikan dari kitab bible itu sendiri . bagi saya buku ini tidak memburukkan agama kristian . Malahan sy juga kagum dgn agama kristian yg berlandaskan kasih sayang . dan sy byk kenalan yg beragama kristian .

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bro post ni bercampur aduk . tgk bila sy quote sperti bro pulak yg bercakap kan. hahahah... dari td perasan sbnrnya post ni bercampur aduk . jap sy betulkan post saya . dengan quote yg betul .

 

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Terdapat kekeliruan dari post yg di quote . Mohon kiranya forumer yg lain menekan button view post atau membca post di bawah sekali . sbb sekali imbas seperti sy pulak yg membuat post KLVIPER dan post KLVIPER seperti dibuat oleh saya .
Bermula dari page 24 terdapat kesilapan quote oleh saudara KLVIPER . Harap baca betul2 .


Harap sebelum menunding sila baca keseluruhan thread . huhuhuhu .

 

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TT, bolehkah TT differentiate mana satu verse yg memang merupakan Firman, dan mana satu verse yg dibuat2 (atau diubah), di dalam keseluruhan content kitab Bible? Atau keseluruhan ISI Bible yg ada sekarang itu 100% sudah bukan ASLI lagi? Dan Bible mana satu yg dimaksudkan dlm 1st post TT? Sebab Bible pun ada banyak versi, kan? Atau TT maksudkan SEMUA versi Bible?

 

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Terdapat kekeliruan dari post yg di quote . Mohon kiranya forumer yg lain menekan button view post atau membca post di bawah sekali . sbb sekali imbas seperti sy pulak yg membuat post KLVIPER dan post KLVIPER seperti dibuat oleh saya .
Bermula dari page 24 terdapat kesilapan quote oleh saudara KLVIPER . Harap baca betul2 .


Harap sebelum menunding sila baca keseluruhan thread . huhuhuhu .

2la..aku yg follow dr mula pun dah pening..rasa KLVIPER yg bg pencerahan tp qoute nama tt..aish...

 

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TT, bolehkah TT differentiate mana satu verse yg memang merupakan Firman, dan mana satu verse yg dibuat2 (atau diubah), di dalam keseluruhan content kitab Bible? Atau keseluruhan ISI Bible yg ada sekarang itu 100% sudah bukan ASLI lagi? Dan Bible mana satu yg dimaksudkan dlm 1st post TT? Sebab Bible pun ada banyak versi, kan? Atau TT maksudkan SEMUA versi Bible?

Mmg terdapat verse yg bukan dari Tuhan . Tetapi thread ini dibuat utk perbincangan mengenai ayat2 lucah yg terdpt di dlm bible . Versi bible mmg byk . Tetapi harus tahu setiap versi masih mengekal isi yg sama cuma berbeza dari terjemahannya . Walaubagaimanapun di sini sy sertakan Verse dari Firman Tuhan yg memberitahu wajib khatan

Genesis 17:9-14
9 And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

dan ini pula verse dari Paulus mengenai isu khatan

Galatians 5:2
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Nampak x perbezaan yg dtg dari satu kitab yg sama . Ada byk lg . tetapi di sini bukan thread untuk mempersoalkannya . Thread ini menjurus pada kewujudan ayat2 lucah di dlm Bible .

 

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2la..aku yg follow dr mula pun dah pening..rasa KLVIPER yg bg pencerahan tp qoute nama tt..aish...

perlu x saya letakkan pemberitahuan ini di awal thread rasa2 nya . sbb takut nnti ada yg baca separuh terus nk marah .

 

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mohon kiranya disertakan sekali petikan ayat dari bible bahawa Jesus menyuruh muridnya membaptiskan semua bangsa .

Matius 28:18-20

28:18 Yesus mendekati mereka dan berkata: "Kepada-Ku telah diberikan segala kuasa di sorga dan di bumi. Karena itu pergilah, jadikanlah semua bangsa murid-Ku dan baptislah mereka dalam nama Bapa dan Anak dan Roh Kudus.
28:20 dan ajarlah mereka melakukan segala sesuatu yang telah Kuperintahkan kepadamu. Dan ketahuilah, Aku menyertai kamu senantiasa sampai kepada akhir zaman.

 

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Matius 24:14
Dan Injil Kerajaan ini akan diberitakan di seluruh dunia menjadi
kesaksian BAGI SEMUA BANGSA, sesudah itu barulah tiba kesudahannya."


Markus 13:10
Tetapi Injil harus diberitakan dahulu kepada SEMUA bangsa.


Markus 14:9
Aku berkata kepadamu: Sesungguhnya di mana saja Injil diberitakan DI
SELURUH DUNIA, apa yang dilakukannya ini akan disebut juga untuk
mengingat dia."

Markus 16:15
Lalu Ia berkata kepada mereka: "Pergilah KE SELURUH DUNIA,
beritakanlah Injil kepada segala makhluk.


Yohanes 3:15-16
15 supaya SETIAP ORANG yang percaya kepada-Nya beroleh hidup yang
kekal.
16 Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah
mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya SETIAP ORANG yang percaya
kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.

Perkataan Yesus Kristus yang menjadi dasar berdirinya lembaga yang
bernama "kristen":
Matius 16:18
Dan Akupun berkata kepadamu: Engkau adalah Petrus dan di atas batu
karang ini Aku akan mendirikan jemaat-Ku dan alam maut tidak akan
menguasainya.

Matius 28:18-20 terdapat di semua naskah-naskah Alkitab yang tertua,
baik itu yang masih berbentuk papirus maupun yang sudah berbentuk
buku seperti Kodeks Sinaitikus maupun kodeks Vatikanus.
Jadi sangatlah tidak tepat dan tidak beralasan jika bagian tersebut
dikatakan sebagai ciptaan para penginjil.
Pun bagian tersebut sejalan dengan perkataan Yesus lainnya yang
tersebar dalam ke empat Injil.