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Christians generally regard The Bible as the Word of God. However, that is not in the same way as the Muslims do.

In John 1:1 we read 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....verse 14. and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

Generally speaking, Jesus was regarded as the eternal Word of God in human form.

Tolong beri kesimpulan mengenai ayat di bawah yg saya ambil dr Bible KJV dengan ayat yg saya hitamkan di atas . "Firman Tuhan di terbitkan dalam bentuk manusia"

Matthew 27:46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

"Word was God" Tetapi mengapa ketika Jesus di salib dia pula meminta tolong kepada Tuhan sedangakn dia adalah Tuhan yg diterbitkan dari Firman .

In Islamic belief, the Quran is regarded as a book already in heaven which was revealed to Mohammad by the angel Gabriel. Muslims also believe the Torah, given to Moses (Musa), the Injil, given to Jesus (Isa), and the Mazmur, given to David (Daud), were each books existing in heaven.

Anggapan yg kurang tepat . Al-Quran , Injil , Torah dan Mazmur adalah kitab yg terhasil dari Firman Allah dan bukannya kitab yg sudah ada di syurga cuma tggu nk diturunkan sahaja kepada Nabi2 . Bukti Al-Quran adalah Firman Allah kerana tidak ada satu ayat pun yg tertulis dtgnya dari lafaz Nabi Muhammad mahupun sahabat2 nya . Kerana Islam telah membahagikan sejak dari awal lagi . Al-Quran adalah kitab yg terhasil dari Firman Allah spnhnya tanpa ada campur tgn ayat dari makhluk-Nya . Justeru itu Hadith merupakan sabda Nabi Muhammad namun demikian terdapat dalam bhgn2 tersendiri . Hal ini kerana setiap tulisan manusia pasti ada yg boleh menokok tmbh atau mereka2 sendiri selain dari apa yg Nabi Muhammad lafazkan . Maka sbb itulah org bkn Islam mengambil sumber hadith untuk menjatuhkan Islam . Sedangakn Islam berlandaskan Al-Quran yg pertama kemudian Hadith .

However Christians do not think of them in that way.

The Bible is divided into 2 parts, including the Old Testament, the scriptures of the Hebrews and Jews, and the New Testament, including the life of Jesus and the early Christians.

The Old Testament incudes history, such as the Torah (books of Moses), poetic (including the Mazmur), wisdom books and also prophetic books. The history is of the Hebrew nation, which includes the Jews. It is believed that God inspired men to write down his thoughts. So it is the Word of God in written form, but written down by men. So the original writings are regarded as the Word of God.

Perhatikan bentuk dari ayat di bawah yg dtg dari Tuhan sebelum era Kristian .

Deuteronomy 18:18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

( di dlm Old Testament . Siapa yg di mksdkan oleh Tuhan di dlm ayat tersebut kepada Moses ? Dari ayat tersebut jelas bukan Jesus . Kerana Jesus bukan di masukkan Firman ke dlm mulutnya tetapi Firman menjadi manusia . )

Isaiah 45:22
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

( Old Testament menegaskan Tuhan hanya satu .)


The New Testament includes firstly for Gospels, each telling the life of Christ from a slightly different perspective, by 4 different writers. After that is an account of the beginnings of the early church, and also letters from some of the early Christian leaders to different churches in the region. These are all regarded as the inspired Word of God, but written in the language and viewpoint of men.

Altogether there are a total of 66 individual books comprise the Bible as a whole.

Bermula era Kristian di dlm NEw Testament . Baca ayat di bawah .

Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

( Jesus menegaskan Tuhan adalah Satu )

Mark 10:18
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

( Jesus menafikan dia yg terbaik dan menegaskan tiada yg lebih baik melainkan Satu iaitu Tuhan yg Satu )

Terdapat persamaan dari apa yg terdapat di Old Testament sebelum era Kristian dan selepas . Tuhan Hanya Satu . Apa yg jelas adalah perbezaan antara Firman Tuhan dan Sabda Utusan Tuhan . DI dlm Old Testament jelas yg berfirman adalah Tuhan dan berfirman Dia adalah Satu-satunya . Di dlm New Testament Jesus tidak pernah menyebut dia adalah Tuhan .
 
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Christians generally regard The Bible as the Word of God. However, that is not in the same way as the Muslims do.

In John 1:1 we read 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....verse 14. and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

Generally speaking, Jesus was regarded as the eternal Word of God in human form.

In Islamic belief, the Quran is regarded as a book already in heaven which was revealed to Mohammad by the angel Gabriel. Muslims also believe the Torah, given to Moses (Musa), the Injil, given to Jesus (Isa), and the Mazmur, given to David (Daud), were each books existing in heaven.

However Christians do not think of them in that way.

The Bible is divided into 2 parts, including the Old Testament, the scriptures of the Hebrews and Jews, and the New Testament, including the life of Jesus and the early Christians.

The Old Testament incudes history, such as the Torah (books of Moses), poetic (including the Mazmur), wisdom books and also prophetic books. The history is of the Hebrew nation, which includes the Jews. It is believed that God inspired men to write down his thoughts. So it is the Word of God in written form, but written down by men. So the original writings are regarded as the Word of God.

The New Testament includes firstly for Gospels, each telling the life of Christ from a slightly different perspective, by 4 different writers. After that is an account of the beginnings of the early church, and also letters from some of the early Christian leaders to different churches in the region. These are all regarded as the inspired Word of God, but written in the language and viewpoint of men.

Altogether there are a total of 66 individual books comprise the Bible as a whole.

The Bible was written by 4 different writers(Matthew,Mark,Luke,John) inspired by the same Holy Spirit and yet they all still contradict with each other..very funny..:eek::eek:

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Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16).

(b) Heli (Luke 3:23).

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Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6).

(b) Nathan (Luke 3:31).


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Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12).

(b) Neri (Luke 3:27).

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Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

(a) Abiud (Matthew 1:13).

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27). But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: I. Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v. Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (1 Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anywhere.

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Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf. Luke 19:35). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it."

(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon."

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Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

(a) Yes (Mark 6:8).

(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3).

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Did Herod think that Jesus was John the baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16).

(b) No (Luke 9:9)

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Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark 15:37-38).

(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46).


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The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

(a) Yes (Mark 15:32).

(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43).

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Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43).

(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17).

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What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) "This is Jesus the King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37).

(b) "The King of the Jews" (Mark 15:26)

(c) "This is the King of the Jews" (Luke 23:38).

(d) "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews" (John 19:19).

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Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10:1-4; Mark 3:13-19).

(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke's gospel (Luke 6:12-16).

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Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

(a) Yes (Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13).

(b) No (John 1:19-21).

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How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew16:17).

(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41).

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Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22).

(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43).

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Did John the Baptist recognise Jesus before his baptism?

(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14).

(b) No (John 1:32, 33).

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Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33).

(b) No (Matthew 11:2).

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According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

(a) "If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true"(John 5:31).

(b) "Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true" (John 8:14).

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Did Judas kiss Jesus?

(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50).

(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12).

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What did Jesus say about Peter's denial?

(a) "The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times" (John 13:38).

(b) "Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times" (Mark 14:30). When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

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Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17).

(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32).

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Did Jesus say anything secretly?

(a) No. "I have said nothing secretly" (John 18:20).

(b) Yes. "He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything" (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He said, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given" (Matthew 13:10-11).


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Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23).

(b) In Pilate's court (John 19:14).

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Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5).

(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20).

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According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" (Luke 23:46).

(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

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When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshiped him (Matthew 28:9).

(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus' body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him "Teacher." Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me . . . " (John 20:11 to 17)

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What was Jesus' instruction for his disciples?

(a) "Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me" (Matthew 28:10).

(b) "Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" (John 20:17).


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Jesus saw a man sitting at the tax collector's office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9).

(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27).

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Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17).

(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 13:1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate's judgement hall because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgement was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14).


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Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42).

(b) No. (John 12:27).

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In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?

(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42).

(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46).

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Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:39).

(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42).

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What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) "Certainly this man was innocent" (Luke 23:47).

(b) "Truly this man was the Son of God" (Mark 15:39).

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When Jesus said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are "Eli, Eli . . . " (Matthew 27:46).

(b) Aramaic: the words are "Eloi, Eloi . . . " (Mark 15:34).

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Was Jesus' body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40).

(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices "so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus]" (Mark 16:1).

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When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After "the sabbath was past" (Mark 16:1).

(b) Before the sabbath. The women "prepared spices and ointments." Then, "on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment" (Luke 23:55 to 24:1).

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At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) "Toward the dawn" (Matthew 28:1).

(b) "When the sun had risen" (Mark 16:2).

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What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus' body with spices (Mark 16:1;Luke 23:55 to 24:1).

(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28:1). For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the sabbath (John 20:1).

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Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

(a) After his baptism, "the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days . . . (Mark 1:12-13).

(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee — two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11).

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When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

(a) They worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God" (Matthew 14:33).

(b) "They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened" (Mark 6:51-52).

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"Dan di antara mereka pula ada orang-orang yang buta huruf, mereka tidak mengetahui akan isi Kitab selain dari penerangan-penerangan bohong (dari ketua-ketua mereka), dan mereka hanyalah berpegang kepada sangkaan-sangkaan sahaja".

“Maka celakalah orang-orang yang menulis kitab dengan tangan mereka (sendiri), kemudian berkata, “ini dari Allah” (dengan maksud) untuk menjualnya dengan harga yang murah. Maka celakalah mereka, kerana tulisan tangan mereka, dan celakalah mereka kerana apa yang mereka perbuat”
.(Surah Al-Baqarah: Ayat 78-79)
 
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bila firman Dia di olah menjadi ayat buatan manusia....
 
thanks atas pandangan saudara . di sini sy sertakan petikan ayat dari al-quran .

Al-Quran 4:3
maka kahwinlah perempuan-perempuan yang kamu senangi: dua, tiga atau empat. Tetapi jika kamu takut tidak berupaya berlaku adil, maka (cukuplah mengahwini) satu orang sahaja

Di sini Tuhan yg berfirman di dalam Al-Quran . Mohon saudara kemukakan Firman tuhan di dalam Bible mengenai berkahwin hanya satu .

klu la ptikan ko ni btl, memng sah islam hnya mmentingkan sex smata2...#:-S
 
klu la ptikan ko ni btl, memng sah islam hnya mmentingkan sex smata2...#:-S

hg tunjuk mai kat sini kitab mana selain Al-Quran yg ada ayat "kahwin seorang sahaja".

FYI...Islam tak wajib pun kahwin sampai 4..ni hanya kelonggaran shj dgn bersyarat..buktinya ramai org Islam kahwin sorang ja..


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Dalam Bibel pun terdapat puisi tentang poligami : [8] Permaisuri ada enam puluh, selir delapan puluh, dan dara-dara tak terbilang banyaknya. [9] Tetapi dialah satu-satunya merpatiku, idam-idamanku, satu-satunya anak ibunya, anak kesayangan bagi yang melahirkannya, putri-putri melihatnya dan menyebutnya bahagia, permaisuri-permaisuri dan selir-selir memujinya (Kidung Agung 6:8-9).

Legalnya poligami ini, didukung fakta di dalam Bibel, bahwa para Nabi Bani Israil juga berpoligami. Nabi Ibrahin punya dua istri, yaitu Sara (Kejadian 11:29-31) dan Hagar (Kejadian 11:29-31). Selain itu, Ibrahim disebut juga punya gundik bernama Kentura (Kejadian 25:1).

Nabi Yakub punya empat istri, yaitu Lea, Rahel, Bilha dan Zilpa (Kejadian 29:31-32, 30:34, 30:39). Jejak Nabi Yakub ditiru oleh anaknya, Esau, dengan menikahi dua perempuan Kanaanm yaitu Ada dan Oholibama (Kejadian 36:2-10).

Nabi Musa berpoligami dengan mengawini dua istri. Salah satunya bernama Zipora (Keluaran 18:2, Bilangan 12:1). Salomo alias Nabi Sulaiman punya 700 istri dan 300 gundik (I Raja-raja:1-3). Anak kandung Salomo, Rehabeam, juga berpoligami. Ia punya 18 istri dan 60 gundik yang memberinya 28 anak laki-laki dan 60 perempuan (2 Tawarikh 11:21).

Nabi Daud memiliki banyak istri dan gundik, diantaranya Ahinoam, Abigail, Maacha, Hadjit, Edjla, Michal dan Batsyeba ,(I Samuel 25:43-44,27:3,30:5, II Samuel 3:1-5, 5:13, I Tawarikh 3:1-9, 14:3, II Samuel 16:22). Simson kawin beberapa kali (Hakim-hakim 14:10, 16:1-4), dan masih banyak lagi daftar pelaku pepoligami dalam Alkitab.

Jauh sebelum Rasul lahir, Nabi Daud, Abraham, Yakub dan Salomo telah mempraktikan poligami. Tapi tak satupun ayat Bibel yang mengecam atau menilainya sebagai tindakan yang salah, bermaksiat dan dosa.

Nabi Daud, mengoleksi banyka istri dan gundik, tapi Tuhan tidak mengecamnya sebagai kelemahan. Bahkan, Tuhan memberikan penghargaan dengan julukan “Nabi yang taat kepada Tuhan dan berkenan di hati-Nya” (Kisah Para Rasul 13:22).

Nabi Yakub menikahi banyak wanita yang memiliki hubungan darah. Toh, Yakub tidak dibenci Tuhan. Semasa hidunya, Allah justru menampakkan diri keada Yakub sebagai Allah Yang Maha Kuasa (Keluaran 6:2). Bahkan, Tuhan menjanjikan akan memberikan sebuah negeri pada keturunan Yajub (KEluaran 33:1). “Yakub adalah nabi yang diberkati Tuhan, berada dalam kerajaan Sorga (Kerajaan Allah) bersama dengan Abraham, Ishak dan semua nabi Allah,” (Matius 8:11), Lukas 13:28).

Labi Lot (Luth), dalam Bibel juga disebut memoligami dua kakak beradik hingaa beranak-pinak. Tapi, Tuhan tidak menegurnya sebagai orang yang berdosa karena berpoligami. Bahkan, Tuhan membeirkan pujian kepada Lot sebagai orang yang benar dan taat jepada Tuhan (II Petrus 2:7).

Bahkan, Nabi Salomo (Sulaiman) dalam Bibel diceritakan sebagai nabi superpoligami dengan koleksi istri terbanyak di dunia. Tuhan juga tidak mencelanya, sebagai tindakan maksiat. Tuhan justru menyayngi Salomo sebagai orang yang sudah dipilih Tuhan sejak bayi menjadi hamba-Nya yang akan mendirikan Bait Allah (I Tawarikh 22:9-10).

Pada masa Yesus, jika praktik poligami ini tercela dan hrus dihapus, pasti yesus menyikapinya dengan tegas. Ternyata, Yesus tidak pernah menghapus aturan tentang poligami yang diterapkan para Nabi terdahulu. “Janganlah kamu menyangka, bahw aku datang untuk meniadakan hukum Taurat atau kitab para nabi. Aku datang bukan untuk meniadakannya, melainkan untuk menggenapinya,” (Matius 5:17).

Dalam buku Sex in The Bible, halaman 5 disebutkan, Yesus sendiri -meski Bibel tak menceritakan- apakah dia pernah menikah dan berpoligami? Tapi, Ia tak pernah komplain ketika murid terkasihnya, Petrus, menikah berulangkali. Yesus tak mengecam apalagi menyuruh Petrus menceraikan istri-istrinya. Ini menunjukkan, Yesus tidak mengharamkan poligami.

Sikap Yesus ini bisa dimaklumi, karena leluhur Yesus sendiri adalah pelaku poligami (silsilah leluhur Yesus ada di Injil Matius 1:1-17). (fakta/sabili)
 
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