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Samjeongdo (삼정도 / 三正刀) the sword given to newly promoted Korean military generals each year by the Ministry of National Defense.














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Indian Army Military Sword




General V.K Singh being presented a Sword on being apointed Honorary Colonel of the Regiment of the skinners Horse, in Meerut on October 01, 2010.


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WWII Japanese Military Gunto



Kyu Gunto Army Sabre





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Type 95 Non Commissioned Officer's (NCO) Sword of World War II, made to resemble a Commissioned Officer's Shin Gunto










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Katana Made in China : " A Peek Behind the Bamboo Curtain "



In this Article, Chris Scoggin from Ronin Katana has a candid talk with one of the senior smiths at a Longquan based Chinese forge. An extremely eye opening and revealing behind the scenes look at what goes into making low to medium cost functional Katana in China today.






INTERVIEW WITH A CHINESE KATANA MAKING FORGE

Chris From Ronin : How are your smiths and polishers trained?

The Forge : Mainly from the old and famous swordsmith. And then develop by the help of books and the web.


Chris From Ronin : What do you mean by " old and famous sword smith " ?

The Forge : Yes, they are trained. As you may know, in China, if you want to learn how to make swords, you must find a famous sword smith and beg him to be your master worker. If he think that you are proper and honest, he will agree, then you must learn it for 3 years. During this period of time, you must work hard and learn everything. If you study and work hard, the master will teach you the secret and real and useful skills, if you are not, he won't teach the secret and complexed skills, otherwise, you will effect his reputation.

So once the pupils work hard and finished learning three years, he must have learned all the skills. He knows everything, if we employ a smith, we must test him to see if he is skilled. Of course, during the work, he will improve a lot by meeting the customers' request. There is a sword association in this city, they have regular meetings to communicate each other. By this way,the tradtional skills are kept.




Chris From Ronin : Are any of your smiths considered Master Smiths ? Do they have apprentices ? At what age can a person become an apprentice ? Can a woman become a sword smith ?

The Forge : Yes, there are two smiths considered master smiths, it is awarded first by the city, then by the province, now they are studying hard and applying for the national awards. It will take about 15 years when the final award is issued. They have appentices.


Chris From Ronin : At what age can a person become an apprentice ? Can a woman become a sword smith ?

The Forge : Once a person is over 18 years,he can be an apprentice. For the moment, no women become a sword smith, for forging need hard work..


Chris From Ronin : How do you train your sword smiths ?

The Forge : There is an association for swordsmith, also cooperate with the university, they helped us a lot in the skills.


Chris From Ronin : Can you explain what the association is ? When was it founded ?

The Forge : It is Longquan sword association, only the famous sword smith and companies can become a member. It was founded at the beginning of 1990, when the govenment made the effort to promote this traditional skills.


Chris From Ronin : How many members does it have ? How exactly do they help you ? What is the name of the university ?

The Forge : At present, it has about 80 members. We are finding a way to cooperate with the university and want the university help us in designing and overtake the problems for breakage during forging, for they know the ecense of each steel, there is a project is applying, hope it will approved soon, that is find an easy way to forge tamahagane steel. The University is Zhejiang University.


Chris From Ronin : Have you sent any of your smiths or polishers to Japan for training ?

The Forge : No, they won't teach you the real skills, can do it after study the real samples. We have much experience in them, easy to learn and study.


Chris From Ronin : Are the blades you study made in Japan ? Are they older, pre-war blades ?

The Forge : Yes,some of the blades are made in Japan,some of them are made by Paul Chen,we have samples in our showroom.Some of the blade is older,for samurai blade,not so old,the Chinese sword blade is much older,more than 1000 years.


Chris From Ronin : Have you studied the blades of any famous sword smiths ? Which Japanese sword smith has most influenced the smiths at your factory ? When studying a sword, have you ever had to cut it in half to study the layers ? If so, how many swords, and were they older swords ?

The Forge : We do not know the Japanese sword smith name, for the handle is rusted. We cut the blade in many parts to test the steel type, hardness and flexibility by the help of the university, they have the instuments. We do not have the chance to cut the older sword, for they are expensive and hard to get it. As you may know, Japanese learn making swords from China in Chinese Tang Dynasty, so it is easy to find the secret of the blade.


Chris From Ronin : How long does it take to forge a sword blade ?

The Forge : Depend on the material and lamination of the blade, from 1 or 2 hours to 10 days.






Chris From Ronin : Which lamination method takes the longest ? Which lamination method is the most popular with your customers ?

The Forge : Soshu Kitae lamination takes the longest time,and it is the most popular for the customer, but for it, Hon Sanmai and Kobuse are also popular.


Chris From Ronin : Does lamination produce a higher quality blade than a blade that has just been clayed? Is it possible to laminate and blade and then water quench it (through harden it) without claying the blade? Is that type of blade safe to use in a dojo against targets like bamboo?

The Forge : If a blade is forged with laminated blade, it will have a good hardness and flexibility. For the laminated blade, it must be clay-tempered and water quench, otherwise, the hardness is not good. That type of steel is the best for dojo and cutting test.


Chris From Ronin : Does your factory water quench (through hardened) only 1045 and 1060 steel, or do you also water quench 1095 steel?

The Forge : We harden our blade by water quench, for 1095, it still need water quench. 1095 is be idea steel for clay-temper, not so hard when forging, and can become the hardest one after clay-temper.









Chris From Ronin : How often does a blade crack in quenching ? What do you do with the cracked blade ?

The Forge : It usually will be cracked, that's why the price is much higher than others. At present, since we make many pcs per year, the temperature is controlled well, not so many pcs to be cracked as before. The cracked ones are useless.

Chris From Ronin : In your opinion, which type of blade is stronger against harder targets like bamboo ?

The Forge : In my opinion, for cutting practice, carbon steel 1060 will be the best steel. For martial practice and martial cutting test, the laminated blade will be the best, for they are hardest with good flexibility.

Chris From Ronin : Tamahagane blades are very expensive to make. Does your factory make the tamahagane the same way the Japanese do ? How long does it take to make one tamahagane blade ?

The Forge : Yes, we make the tamahagane the same way the Japanese do. It will take about 25 days to make one blade, it usually takes much more time in polishing.

Chris From Ronin : What are your quality control methods ?

The Forge : Internal traditional one, are applying for ISO for we are building our new company, then it will meet the modern requirements for authentic.

Chris From Ronin : I don't really understand your answer, could you explain it a little better. What is an ISO, and what are you building? Does this involve new equipment ?

The Forge : We have an inhouse quality control system. Each procedure is strictly inspected, For ISO, it is the international quality control system. When it is approved, the quality will be guaranteed. The new company is finished, we arrange for production in details, all the procedures are recorded by computer.








Chris From Ronin : Thanks for your time and insight.

The Forge : No problem.



Sources : http://www.sword-manufacturers-g ... -made-in-china.html



so mana lagi keras & x mudah patah? 1060 ke 1095c?
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aku penah tgk... penah pegang... tp bkn pedang.. parang.. 7 lapis besi tukang tempa dia pun aku kenal tp dah arwah.. anak dia idup lg.. keje tempa parang n keris...
kat mana bro tempat tukang tu? ada no contact x? anak dia pandai besi ke? kalau bagi besi dia leburkan buat bilah baru bole?
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kat mana bro tempat tukang tu? ada no contact x? anak dia pandai besi ke? kalau bagi besi dia leburkan buat bilah baru bole?
dekat mersing, namanya pak arshad, no telepon xde tp org mersing suma kenal, pak arshad pandai besi
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Jenis2 Mata Pedang ''Zukuri''




Hira Zukuri (Rare In Daito)



Kiriha Zukuri (Rare - Archaic Form)



Kogarasu-Maru "Little Crow" Zukuri (Kissaka-Maroha Zukuri)



Shinogi Zukuri (Most Common Nihon-to Shape)



Kissaki In The Shinogi Zukuri

"Regarding blade form and samurai culture in the history"

Some type of kissaki is typical in a particular period of time.
Of course it comes from practical advantages in the fighting style but that is not the only reason.
The spirit of the samurai culture makes the style of each period.

The late Heian to the early Kamakura period

In the 12th century, the samurais' status is not so high. They are guards of the nobility.
The government never stand without samurai but they don't have political power.
They fight often for the political game of the nobilities. And they are longing for the nobility culture.

In the battle field, the main weapon is the bow and arrow, so the armour is heavy and hard.
The typical blade style in this period is big funbari, emphatic koshi-zori, and ko-kissaki.
It is elegant for the eyes and good to aim for the openings in the armour.
But all blade is not the same so there are various types of blades in every period.
I speak about just the typical type of each period.

The early Kamakura period to the middle

At the end of 12th century, samurais get their own government.
Officially, it is a guard of the emperor.
Blades become strong and powerful.

The late Kamakura period

In the late 13th century, Japan gets attacked by Mongols twice.
Samurais fight very hard and then they have to prepare for the third attack.
The period is very exciting and samurais are united against the next invasion.
In this period the blade with an ikubi-kissaki is typical.
The strong blade with ikubi-kissaki is a symbol of the samurai spirit in this age.
A short and thick kissaki may be heavy duty.

The Nanbokucho period

In the early 14th century, the samurai government is broken and two imperial governments appear.
Samurais fight each other for their emperors.
In this period there is no order in samurai society.
Each samurai tries to display themselves to emphasize their power.
In this period, large and o-kissaki blades become typical.
So also is a very artificial wavy hamon and designed engravings.
Such a blade is easy for the eyes to feel the power.


The Muromachi, Momoyama, and Edo period

After the 15th century, most of the blades have chu-kissaki or o-kissaki.
There is no era that is a special kissaki type.

In history, the style of the blade is a fashion of the period.
Probably it means the spirit of the samurai culture in the period.

Chu-Kissaki



It is the meaning of shape. "chu" means "middle".
The width and the length of the kissaki are in good proportion.
The length is a little bigger than the width.
It is common on a katana.

Ikubi-Kissaki



It is a little short.
The kissaki width and the length is almost same or the length is smaller than the
width.
It looks hard and steady.
It is the typical shape of tachi in 13th century.
This kissaki appears on broad and thick blades in the period.

Kamasu-Kissaki



The line from the start of the kissaki to the top of it is almost straight.
Such a kissaki is especially called "kamasu-" even if the kissaki is long or short.
It looks very sharp.
This type has a little different meaning than other types.
Because, this type is an original shape of the kissaki before the 14th century.
So this type is very rare today.
The tip is very sharp and delicate so it is easy to be broken in a fight.
The kissaki line easily becomes round by re-polishing after use.
We can see kamasu type only in some old temple or shrine as a treasure.
They were put in there before use to celebrate Buddha or god.

Therefore we have to change the image of the kissaki shape when we think about the original in the period of samurai living before 14th century.
After the 15th century most of the kissaki shape is "chu-" and "o-kissaki". There has never been seen "ikubi-" or "ko-kissaki".

Ko-Kissaki



It is not a matter of shape. It means "small kissaki" and it is a matter of size.
Most of the time, the word is used for tachi in 12th century.
For example such blades have a long blade (about 80 cm), a wide width at the base
(about 30 mm), and the blade becomes narrow towards the kissaki, (about 15 mm width at kissaki).
The kissaki looks very small compared to the base.
Such kissaki is especially called "ko-kissaki".
Such blades have to have big funbari and an emphatic koshizori.
The shape of this kissaki is almost the same as the chu-kissaki or ikubi-kissaki.

O-Kissaki



It is a long kissaki. "o" means "large".
It looks emphatic for eyes.
The kissaki length is far larger than the width.
This type started in the 14th century.
It appears on a large blade, over 90 cm long.
The blade width also is large towards the kissaki and it is proportional to the length.
But the thickness doesn't become large.
And a wavy hamon pattern (notare) were developed at the same age as a set with long kissaki.

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Cara Penghasilan Pedang Jepun ''Nihonto''


Material (Bijih Besi) Pedang Tradisional Jepun Jenis ''TAMAHAGANE Dan OROSHIGANE''

Tamahagane (Besi Permata)



Tamahagane Yang Mempunyai karbon yang banyak disebelah Kiri Dan yang Kanan Pula Tamahagane Yang Kurang Karbon

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Oroshigane adalah besi campuran tukang besi (tukang pedang) dicampur dengan Tamahagane.

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